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    Finding unclaimed/unused/unliveable land and turn it into a habitable area

    Mclovin
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    Post by Mclovin Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:27 pm

    Why not find unclaimed/unused/unliveable land and turn it into a habitable area.. therefore kinda claiming it and creating something completely new. Could be done in a desert, mountain regions etc.

    We'd have to take the geographic and biological points into account, i.e.:
    Climate/Precipitation Type of soil Storm risks
    What plants coexist well to form an ecosystem fitted to the individual environment..

    but first we'd have to find a suitable area..
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    Post by Bluente Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:26 pm

    It's quite dificult to find such an area today, one wich is usefull i mean and unclaimed.
    To grow some food you'll need a good ground(temperatur can be controled with a greenhaus).
    Think the best areas would be some West country(after wars ther will be no one, but mabye to contaminated to.
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    Post by Mclovin Thu May 01, 2014 12:28 am

    Source to a thread on another forum discussing this:
    http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=620096

    First of all my thought was about impact. How can the commune help the environment and set a good example and my main thought was setting up a commune to fight desertification (i.e. populate land that would otherwise not be used anyways, and try to expand and help others).

    website with various maps, sadly they are very small
    http://improvingourworld.com/id36.html

    At first i will look for territoriers at high risk of desertification located in countries that seem to be politically stable (will look deeper into it later).

    Namibia has a population of 2.1 million people and a stable multi-party parliamentary democracy (...) Given the presence of the arid Namib Desert, it is one of the least densely populated countries in the world. Namibia enjoys high political, economic and social stability.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namibia

    Botswana, it has held uninterrupted democratic elections since independence.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botswana


    Check out the maps in the geography forum
    https://alternet.forumvi.com/t54-different-types-of-map

    Terra nullius is a Latin expression deriving from Roman law meaning "land belonging to no one", which is used in international law to describe territory which has never been subject to the sovereignty of any state, or over which any prior sovereign has expressly or implicitly relinquished sovereignty.

    Examples include

    Bir Tawil
    Between Egypt and Sudan is the 2,060 km2 (795 sq mi) landlocked territory of Bir Tawil, which was created by a discrepancy between borders drawn in 1899 and 1902. One border placed Bir Tawil under Sudan's control and the Hala'ib Triangle under Egypt's; the other border did the reverse. Both countries assert the border that lets them claim Hala'ib, which is significantly larger and next to the Red Sea, with the side effect that Bir Tawil is unclaimed by either nation. The area is, however, under the de facto control of Egypt, although it is not shown on official Egyptian maps.[10] Bir Tawil has no settled population

    Finding unclaimed/unused/unliveable land and turn it into a habitable area Egypt_Sudan_claims

    article on a man who claimed this land
    http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/va-man-plants-flag-claims-african-country-calling-it-kingdom-of-north-sudan/2014/07/12/abfbcef2-09fc-11e4-8a6a-19355c7e870a_story.html?tid=sm_fb


    International sea
    Under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of 1982, the international waters and international seabed are treated under the common heritage of mankind principle by the signatories of the convention.




    "It should be noted that there are various other parts of the world
    regarding which the legal documentation might be argued to be
    defective, and which might thus be classified as “unclaimed,” in a
    narrow, juridical sense. However, these areas are plainly within the
    de facto power of one or more existing nations, and any activity
    directed at such areas would clearly be treated by such nations as if
    it were occurring on their sovereign territory. For example, the
    treaties delineating the Franco-Spanish border were inadvertently
    (or deliberately, for diplomatic purposes) written so as to admit of
    the interpretation that certain tiny enclaves (many of no more than
    a few acres) are neither in France nor in Spain. But in fact France
    and Spain are in firm control of the border region, and any new-
    country activities there would be treated as if they were being
    conducted in French or Spanish territory. Similarly, certain rocks
    east of New Zealand may never have been formally claimed. But
    New Zealand does claim all the major islands in the area, and
    clearly would treat any activity on those rocks as if it were on an
    island they claim."

    erwin strauss's book on how to start a country
    http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/How-to-Start-Your-Own-Country-Erwin-S.-Strauss.pdf





    "The Guiana Highlands in Venezuela and Northern Brazil - Most of this area is too rugged and too remote to explore.
    The Siberian Arctic - too remote and too inhospitable to explore.
    The Sahara Desert - In many places outside of the few oases and populated areas haven't been explored.
    The Andaman Islands - There are thousands of them,many of them are small and some like North Sentinel Island are inhabitated by fierce tribes who have killed outsiders who attempt to land on them."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell_Island,_New_Zealand

    not unexplore, yet largely unused (ex: australian government using it for relocation of asylum seekers)


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